This is the second part of an ongoing conversation between two scholars in collaboration to design a better society (see FearTalk 2). With many topics covered on exploring the understanding of fear, courage and fearlessness, this casual but intense philosophical conversation includes psychological practices they bring to establishing an intimate relationship with what Luke calls Nothing-Infinite-Eternal. For a transformation of today's Dominant/Artificial worldview and consciousness itself, they agree that we have to teach the most basic distinctions between a coping culture (and its limits, if not pathologies) and a healing culture. We need a psychology of eternity to complement and correct our current (Western) obsession with psychologies of the ego.